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Pre-Release Xenoblade Chronicles 3: Pre-release Discussion Thread (Spoilers from leaks/early copies NOT allowed)

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Cool, the new blog says everyone will unlock the Monado weapon skin after completing the game and the amiibo is just to unlock it sooner.

It also draws attention to the Monado REX and Aegis Sword accompanying Noah's sword asking what their significance is. The DLC story is going to have Shulk and Rex canonically meet isn't it?
 
Cool, the new blog says everyone will unlock the Monado weapon skin after completing the game and the amiibo is just to unlock it sooner.

It also draws attention to the Monado REX and Aegis Sword accompanying Noah's sword asking what their significance is. The DLC story is going to have Shulk and Rex canonically meet isn't it?
Probably another Torna-esque prequel about how the two worlds collided and the first years of the aftermath…
 
Probably another Torna-esque prequel about how the two worlds collided and the first years of the aftermath…
Yea I've been thinking it might be something like that where the six party members are three Xenoblade 1 party members and three Xenoblade 2 party members. It would be interesting to see their playstyles translated into this combat system, especially Melia. Then there would be some new mechanic to replace ouroboros to make the combat a little more of its own thing like Torna did.

Of course, that's assuming this actually is a straightforward sequel to both games as opposed to the theories that something weirder is going on.
 
While a prequel is probably more likely given that that's the best way to sell it as a standalone, I'm kinda hoping for a lighthearted, fanservicey sequel or side story. It would be a nice contrast to the seemingly rather dark tone of the main story.
 
That still doesn't explain why both sides are at war though. If Aionios was controlled by some sort of singular energy that was fueled by its citizens, then both sides would simply need to send off their residents once they reach a certain age. There's no need for the additional suffering that war causes, because in both scenarios the same number of people ultimately die.

The only purpose for the war is if there's some sort of tangible benefit for Keves/Agnus to fuel their Flame Clocks faster, as well as some unseen benefit that the Moebius receive for causing both sides to kill each other. The universal simulation theory doesn't explain either of those things.
But there is, in a way. Arts, they manipulate the ether and depending on the user, can raise their ether control and concentration. If Aionios soldiers are ether reserves, it makes sense to have them concentrate it in their bodies. It keeps the reserve active and constant for when it is needed to supply the Trinity Processor and maintain the world.

The war also prevents other certain... imbalances, like reproduction. If the people of Aionios were to reproduce, it would break the balance of the system established by The Consul and the Queens. We already saw how that went with Lord Zanza and how the Telethia were needed to resolve "the problem".

Though maybe it can also be looked more like a manipulation to keep the world stable without the Conduit. It wouldn't be that improbable in a combined world. You can create life with core crystal and any remain of The Architect's nanoparticles. A process you can control via mastery of ether, the principle of life. You only need people who have mastered ether to assist, and that's where Melia and Nia come in.
 
Well, everything about that Direct was amazing and I'm just more excited.

I wanted to make some observations about locations. Some interesting ones...

First, another Xenoblade X connection.

In Xenoblade X there's a floating island in Oblivia called "Floating Reef". Weird name for an area that's all desert.....

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Oh wait.....a floating desert island area next to Alchamoth, the floating city in Xenoblade 3.

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And what else does an NPC have to say about the same area in Xenoblade X?

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Dannagh Desert, from Torna....How is it still around if the Tornan Titan sank?

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If you look at the bottom left, all of Aionios appears to be a floating landmass. Sky below?

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I'm leaning even more towards Aionios being what becomes Mira and that it exists in some kind pocket-imaginary domain dimension. Which, could be the space where Shulks world existed. But somehow parts of of Alrest (Earth) got transported there?

Maybe this "space" is stuck in a state of perpetual death and rebirth or "eternal recurrence"? Either to stabilize it to prevent the collapse of the universe or an incubation space for Aion?

I don't know what's going on, but I'm all in.
 
But there is, in a way. Arts, they manipulate the ether and depending on the user, can raise their ether control and concentration. If Aionios soldiers are ether reserves, it makes sense to have them concentrate it in their bodies. It keeps the reserve active and constant for when it is needed to supply the Trinity Processor and maintain the world.

The war also prevents other certain... imbalances, like reproduction. If the people of Aionios were to reproduce, it would break the balance of the system established by The Consul and the Queens. We already saw how that went with Lord Zanza and how the Telethia were needed to resolve "the problem".

Though maybe it can also be looked more like a manipulation to keep the world stable without the Conduit. It wouldn't be that improbable in a combined world. You can create life with core crystal and any remain of The Architect's nanoparticles. A process you can control via mastery of ether, the principle of life. You only need people who have mastered ether to assist, and that's where Melia and Nia come in.

Well, if the virtual world theory holds true, ether is just virtual like everything else.

If it's taking place in the real world, I can't think of a way to make ether rare or commodified.

I don't know what's happened between the end of xb1 and xb2 and xb3..... But 'ether' was so saturated in both universes, making it scarce enough to need to stockpile reserves sounds like something really hard to do. It was so prevalent that not only did it saturate all matter and living beings and plants, but the excess made massive nano machine oceans gigantic titans could swim around in, swallow big gulps of, and process into a super dense state in mass quantities.

Ether is nanomachines, the output mechanism of Klaus's reality machine. When the reality machine and its safeguard/command interpreter trinity processor is online, ie when there is a power source capable of powering it, it can use them for data sensory intake on a planetary scale, run highly accurate simulations on what's going to happen based off of that data (visions), break down matter for raw atomic materials, disseminate/absorb/redistribute/transform energy, and reassemble atoms and distribute said energy to construct new creations like a fancy 3d god printer. Up to creating a new universes big bang, it can control matter and energy with such precision, that if desired, somebody could literally write a script that plays out for thousands of years controlling every living being on the planet like a scripted puppet, with very little precision errors accruing over time (but errors accrue over time nonetheless, as Alvis explained after the party was retreating when Zanza revealed himself, even without Shulk, errors inevitably accrue over time until they become too big to be resolvable and crash the pre established harmony of events prompting Zanza to perform the the ritual of death and rebirth). Introducing a second scripter that you can't directly control could have catastrophic consequences for the script much much sooner though.....

When it is offline, or you don't have access/authorization to the reality machine, they still saturate the environment and flora and fauna, but are just inert, they can be activated on a localized level by technology like the replica monados, more primitive technology like ether rifles, and ether cylinder based tech, and innate abilities (originally programmed into created beings via the reality machine way back when) like high entia ether manipulation, and agnus ether manipulation.

Without the conduit, or a power source of a comparable magnitude, ether can only be activated on a local scale.

Unless xb3 flips the script, the availability of ether likely isn't the trick, it's saturating everything. It's the power needed to activate it on a massive scale, and process all the data it can gather that's the macguffin.
 
Well, I watched the Direct yesterday and I’m so incredibly hyped for all of this. Lots of micro management with all the Arts, heroes, classes (and hero classes) and Urubouros forms. Give it to me now.

During the opening those machines looked like Mechon, especially the first one thinking it was Metal Face.

Storywise… there has to be more to it right?

In regards to both Melia and Nia I mean. I mean, looking at how the story is now, it seems that very little old people are in it. Its depressing to think that most characters are just bred to battle.

I’m not sure if it’s Melia or Nia that lead the specific nations. I mean yeah it’s their voices, but I can’t imagine them growing this bitter in regards to the world. I know, some XB fans are joking about the alliance of dumped girls, but considering their core personalities in the other Xenoblade games, I have a hard time seeing them in antagonistic roles.

I also wonder if Claus is out there.. somewhere
 
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Probably another Torna-esque prequel about how the two worlds collided and the first years of the aftermath…
I think so too. I bet we'll see a younger vandam. Hell, have him playable.. But considering the season pass picture had swords from all 3 xenoblade main games.. yeah it seems like world's really could collide.
 
What if the reason N looks different from the other Consuls (other than the fact the audience wouldn't notice he looks like Noah otherwise) is because he stores his armor on his sword, much like Noah does.

Having said that, Noah's armored arm looks suspiciously like Consul armor now except with green ether lines.
 
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I still don't know how the fog beasts are supposed to tie into this

My guess is they have the conduit now, that's where it poofed off to to cause trouble all monolith style, and the whole energy scheme is related to trying to fend them off/stop them from collapsing reality or something, and it's a whole sorry we suck super bad at the greater good thing, and then Noah and crew escape and are all like, you don't have to do this we have a plan! We're going to punch them really really hard!!! And then they're all like you sunuvabitch we're in! And Vandham nods approvingly.
 
My guess is they have the conduit now, that's where it poofed off to to cause trouble all monolith style, and the whole energy scheme is related to trying to fend them off/stop them from collapsing reality or something, and it's a whole sorry we suck super bad at the greater good thing, and then Noah and crew escape and are all like, you don't have to do this we have a plan! We're going to punch them really really hard!!! And then they're all like you sunuvabitch we're in! And Vandham nods approvingly.

I'm gonna say, I like this plot a lot. At some Takahashi twists and then ship it.

I do think Nia and Melia have to be coordinating in some way "for the greater good." Maybe the merged universe is constantly on the verge of collapse and they've created a "solution."
 
My guess is they have the conduit now, that's where it poofed off to to cause trouble all monolith style, and the whole energy scheme is related to trying to fend them off/stop them from collapsing reality or something, and it's a whole sorry we suck super bad at the greater good thing, and then Noah and crew escape and are all like, you don't have to do this we have a plan! We're going to punch them really really hard!!! And then they're all like you sunuvabitch we're in! And Vandham nods approvingly.
Good lord I hope not. Don't do the "we were actually trying to save the world" shit. Cause it's trash every time. I think I've only liked that once (with Wakfu)
 
Good lord I hope not. Don't do the "we were actually trying to save the world" shit. Cause it's trash every time. I think I've only liked that once (with Wakfu)

I would much prefer that over everything being some sort of simulation nonsense. I guess it all depends on how they execute it though.
 
Cool, the new blog says everyone will unlock the Monado weapon skin after completing the game and the amiibo is just to unlock it sooner.
The one part of the Direct I didn't like and they instantly fixed it. Please Monolith never fall for the amiibo meme
 
at this point my only real concern with this game is the feeling that there might still be a trailer in the regular direct with way too many spoilers

I hope not since they actually did a good job of limiting that sort of thing in the direct they did yesterday
 
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I still don't know how the fog beasts are supposed to tie into this
I think the fog beasts and the rift they came from were just an indication of the two worlds beginning to merge. The main purpose behind introducing the Fog King, which I believe was a guldo, was so Shulk can create a weapon that would eventually prove effective against the Blades of the XC2 universe. Now that the worlds are merged the fog beasts are no longer important.
 
I think the fog beasts and the rift they came from were just an indication of the two worlds beginning to merge. The main purpose behind introducing the Fog King, which I believe was a guldo, was so Shulk can create a weapon that would eventually prove effective against the Blades of the XC2 universe. Now that the worlds are merged the fog beasts are no longer important.
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I think the twists that REALLY tie together to the previous games will come towards the end of the story, similar to how 2 did it

I mean, just look at this description on the News section of the Switch:

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Not very subtle
 
I think the twists that REALLY tie together to the previous games will come towards the end of the story, similar to how 2 did it

I mean, just look at this description on the News section of the Switch:

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Not very subtle

At this point how can you be? The hidden connection in the 11th hour is almost a Xenoblade trademark at this point.

It's like if you found out at the end of every Final Fantasy game that it was connected to the others in a bonkers yet somehow gratifying way at the same time.
 
"Alright guys, gather around the camp. A villager in town that his cabbage farm is in financial trouble. He needs somebody to clear out the rats and collect 20 Satori Nutrient Packs to him. So what do you say everyone, let's give his guy a hand!"

"Noah, what is wrong with you? Mio only has three months to live. We are the run from two countries that want to kill us. We can't be taken on these useless tasks everywhere we go! Stop it! We need to get to Swordsmarch!"

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I think only 4 out of 17 heroes are unaccounted for:

1. Valdi
2. Zeon
3. Indoline Man
4. Riku and Manana
5. Gray
6. Juniper
7. Ashera
8. Alexandria
9. Fiona
10. Machina Girl
11. Cammuravi
12. Ethel (if Cammuravi is a hero Ethel almost certainly is too)
13. Girl from the trailer that kicks Lanz' sword away (she matches one of the silhouettes)
So I actually think the blurred out hero/first silhouette is Vandham, and the final silhouette on the class screen is Mysterious Raider.

That means only 2 unknown heroes (unless additional silhouettes get added as the game progresses).
 
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I think these are the same as the boat the party can use. They don't look like any of the mechs we've seen from Keves or Agnus. Might be affiliated with whatever Vandham's faction is?

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It looks like the party fights both Ethel and Cammuravi near the end of Maktha Wildwood. You can see Ethel's mech in the background of the second image, so maybe they're taking on both at once?

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Close up of this person punching Lanz. Her weapons look like the successor to Poppi QT's Mech Arms.

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This dude next to Ethel looks unique. I don't think he's a Hero, but he's not generic.

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Lanz is Lv. 65 while the rest of the party is Lv. 50. I'd say that leveling down is essentially confirmed.

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There's a Heart-to-Heart symbol on the minimap here some distance from where the party and the Colony 9 Barracks are. Wonder what that's for.

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There's another symbol on the left side of the minimap. I'm guessing that might be the cantina, but who knows.
 
Mid game might even be generous. Probably closer to 30%, similar to Prison Island in XB1.
I'm pretty sure we saw an area called "Base of the Great Sword" in the trailer with levels around 40 so yeah seems to be the Prison Island of this game

Edit: Yep, posted above
 
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I think these are the same as the boat the party can use. They don't look like any of the mechs we've seen from Keves or Agnus. Might be affiliated with whatever Vandham's faction is?

Ve5Yrbr.jpg


ILSmOlG.jpg


It looks like the party fights both Ethel and Cammuravi near the end of Maktha Wildwood. You can see Ethel's mech in the background of the second image, so maybe they're taking on both at once?

A0pGRGE.jpg


Close up of this person punching Lanz. Her weapons look like the successor to Poppi QT's Mech Arms.

EiRnB3r.jpg


This dude next to Ethel looks unique. I don't think he's a Hero, but he's not generic.

7C0Z7yW.jpg


Lanz is Lv. 65 while the rest of the party is Lv. 50. I'd say that leveling down is essentially confirmed.

D26oYQj.jpg


There's a Heart-to-Heart symbol on the minimap here some distance from where the party and the Colony 9 Barracks are. Wonder what that's for.

E9Xt8lh.jpg


There's another symbol on the left side of the minimap. I'm guessing that might be the cantina, but who knows.
Seems like the Barracks is what has the Heart- to- heart symbol over it, right? With it now being the icon for rest spots. Unless I'm missing something?
 
Seems like the Barracks is what has the Heart- to- heart symbol over it, right? With it now being the icon for rest spots. Unless I'm missing something?
I think so too. I think the screenshot is a little misleading and the barracks isn't the first building but a spot deep inside the second building.
 
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I don't think this has been pointed out. There's a flute icon on the map so maybe there's a flute minigame like Rex had for salvaging. I have no idea what the purpose of that would be though.


a regular Charlene-squish that
Yes! I did think of Kyle's game jam when I first saw it!

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I think these are the same as the boat the party can use. They don't look like any of the mechs we've seen from Keves or Agnus. Might be affiliated with whatever Vandham's faction is?

Ve5Yrbr.jpg


ILSmOlG.jpg


It looks like the party fights both Ethel and Cammuravi near the end of Maktha Wildwood. You can see Ethel's mech in the background of the second image, so maybe they're taking on both at once?

A0pGRGE.jpg


Close up of this person punching Lanz. Her weapons look like the successor to Poppi QT's Mech Arms.

EiRnB3r.jpg


This dude next to Ethel looks unique. I don't think he's a Hero, but he's not generic.

7C0Z7yW.jpg


Lanz is Lv. 65 while the rest of the party is Lv. 50. I'd say that leveling down is essentially confirmed.

D26oYQj.jpg


There's a Heart-to-Heart symbol on the minimap here some distance from where the party and the Colony 9 Barracks are. Wonder what that's for.

E9Xt8lh.jpg


There's another symbol on the left side of the minimap. I'm guessing that might be the cantina, but who knows.
I don't it's a cantina. The symbol shows up in multiple places. I think it's more likely an ether cylinder container. The item behind the ropl in this screenshot they posted on twitter several weeks back looks a lot like that icon:
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JIVBfwv.jpg


I think these are the same as the boat the party can use. They don't look like any of the mechs we've seen from Keves or Agnus. Might be affiliated with whatever Vandham's faction is?

Ve5Yrbr.jpg


ILSmOlG.jpg


It looks like the party fights both Ethel and Cammuravi near the end of Maktha Wildwood. You can see Ethel's mech in the background of the second image, so maybe they're taking on both at once?

A0pGRGE.jpg


Close up of this person punching Lanz. Her weapons look like the successor to Poppi QT's Mech Arms.

EiRnB3r.jpg


This dude next to Ethel looks unique. I don't think he's a Hero, but he's not generic.

7C0Z7yW.jpg


Lanz is Lv. 65 while the rest of the party is Lv. 50. I'd say that leveling down is essentially confirmed.

D26oYQj.jpg


There's a Heart-to-Heart symbol on the minimap here some distance from where the party and the Colony 9 Barracks are. Wonder what that's for.

E9Xt8lh.jpg


There's another symbol on the left side of the minimap. I'm guessing that might be the cantina, but who knows.

Uh huh... Mmmm hmmmmm. Yup.

As we can clearly see from the last picture, Noah is at the location of the one ring, and saurons tower is to the north west.
 
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