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I know it's more complicated than this but the debate against UHC always comes down to wait times, so I am wondering would you rather be forced to pay a ton for Healthcare or wait a long time for it?
I agree with you, it's so stupid that Americans would use against making free at the time of use.I don't understand this debate, I live in France and we have universal healthcare but not too long wait times. If wait times tend to get longer these days it's because our government wants to privatise our health system and reduce public fundings, not because we have a socialized health system
wow,My mom had open heart surgery in Toronto last year. The gap between being diagnosed and having the surgery done was literally less than a week. Most we paid for was parking and gas to get to the hospital.
Yeah, and the surgery would have certainly bankrupted us if this was the States. I don't mind paying more in taxes if it means other people can make use of healthcare without the fear of financial ruin.wow,
thank lord Jesus for the fast response, in the US it would take at least a month after they have done thousands of blood testings hahahaha
I’m in Toronto as well and this is my experience with our system too. I can’t imagine having a financial burden weighing in on a decision of whether or not to have a surgery done.My mom had open heart surgery in Toronto last year. The gap between being diagnosed and having the surgery done was literally less than a week. Most we paid for was parking and gas to get to the hospital.
I think they made me wait a month or two for my kidney stone procedure(s). I was not in any pain, so can see why they'd wait. Mine was during the earlyish days of Covid though.My mom had open heart surgery in Toronto last year. The gap between being diagnosed and having the surgery done was literally less than a week. Most we paid for was parking and gas to get to the hospital.
It’s a false dichotomy, long wait times are not inherent to socialized medicineI know it's more complicated than this but the debate against UHC always comes down to wait times, so I am wondering would you rather be forced to pay a ton for Healthcare or wait a long time for it?
Or in the United States do both. Pay a shit ton AND wait months for a procedure.It all depends on which country you live in and how urgently you need medical care. Sometimes, it's easier to pay the extra money and get everything you need right away.
People act like wait times in US hospitals are nonexistent. My fiance had a gallbladder attack last year that put her in the ER and she waited 2 hours to get seen, 2 more hours to get morphine, and 5 hours to finally get discharged. They wanted to admit her to get it removed that night when she adamantly said no. Kid next to us had a broken arm; didn't even get Motrin for 2 hours.
US hospitals are really not that great. Nowhere near the exceptional level people think they are to justify paying so much money out of pocket for healthcare.
Thanks man.Yes, all of this.
And I'm sorry that happened to your fiance.
I developed a chronic illness over the last couple of years and having to navigate the US healthcare system during that time period made me realize anyone who thinks this system is good is clueless at best or actively malicious at worst.Thanks man.
US hospitals are greedy and corrupt to their core. I have no faith anything will change; the time to nationalize them was the pandemic and everyone sat on their hands.
Agreed. I’m sorry you’re going through that, friend.I developed a chronic illness over the last couple of years and having to navigate the US healthcare system during that time period made me realize anyone who thinks this system is good is clueless at best or actively malicious at worst.
Thanks man.
US hospitals are greedy and corrupt to their core. I have no faith anything will change; the time to nationalize them was the pandemic and everyone sat on their hands.
Or in the United States do both. Pay a shit ton AND wait months for a procedure.