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They were hiring for two games at once, so I'm assuming so.is the Tokyo Mario team big enough to work on two games at once? Unless the DK game has been finished for a while I don't see how it happens
They were hiring for two games at once, so I'm assuming so.is the Tokyo Mario team big enough to work on two games at once? Unless the DK game has been finished for a while I don't see how it happens
The hiring calls came less than a year apart and in the midst of that EPD 8 moved into larger offices. 1-Up Studio essentially serve as the support developer for 3D Mario, and it wouldn't surprise me to see NST on hand to help too especially now we know they can use both ActionLibrary (the 3D Mario engine) and ModuleSystem (the main EPD engine currently).is the Tokyo Mario team big enough to work on two games at once? Unless the DK game has been finished for a while I don't see how it happens
They started a 2D game in like 2019 I think. So they had to be working on a new 3D Mario side by side with itis the Tokyo Mario team big enough to work on two games at once? Unless the DK game has been finished for a while I don't see how it happens
IIRC there's reason to think that NST did the bulk of the heavy lifting on 3D World+Bowser's FuryEPD Tokyo was working on 3D World + Bowsers Fury, next 3D Mario and a new 2D game at the same time? Or maybe they didn’t start the new 3D Mario game until 2019?
The 2D game started hiring in August 2020, 10 months after the 3D game hiring call in October 2019. My assumption has always been that Bowser's Fury was a 3D Mario prototype that ended up not being a full game and the team went in a different direction in late 2019, when the hiring call came along. Maybe Bowser's Fury then got span out and finished with 1-Up and NST's help.EPD Tokyo was working on 3D World + Bowsers Fury, next 3D Mario and a new 2D game at the same time? Or maybe they didn’t start the new 3D Mario game until 2019?
It took four years for Super Mario Bros Wonder to release after the October 2019 hiring call for that, and for almost all of that time it wasn't public knowledge. That being the case, I don't think there's any reason to assume EPD 8's 2D game has been cancelled. Whether or not it is Donkey Kong remains to be seen.Couldn’t the dk game just be cancelled? When was the last time new info came out for it?
No. Nintendo sits on plenty of games. It could have been done since last year. It’ll release when Nintendo wants it to release. Unlike all these other companies they’re in no hurryCouldn’t the dk game just be cancelled? When was the last time new info came out for it?
they not, but the combined team of 1-UP, NST and help from EPD kyoto is, the theory also explains why its taking so longis the Tokyo Mario team big enough to work on two games at once? Unless the DK game has been finished for a while I don't see how it happens
the listing said it was an 2d action game and had coursesAre we sure the job listing for 2D level design wasn't just for 2D sections in a 3D game? Like the 8-bit segments in Mario Odyssey.
My guess is that it’s been done since 2022Couldn’t the dk game just be cancelled? When was the last time new info came out for it?
nintendo started hiring for dk one year after they started for wonder and that was finished only in 2023, if they have the same scope it should be finishing by now,if its a bigger project its not close to be doneMy guess is that it’s been done since 2022
Nintendo is very annoying about sitting on games, but the switch 2 delay shows that it has at least some rational basis
For DK I don’t think the delay was about the switch 2 probably more likely because wonder came out last year and this year and next year have DK parks opening
They definitely didn’t start DK when they put out those hiring notices, I’m sure they were working on it a year or two priornintendo started hiring for dk one year after they started for wonder and that was finished only in 2023, if they have the same scope it should be finishing by now,if its a bigger project its not close to be done
wonder also startet,when they start those contracts the games are well underway, dk have more organic environments while mario is more tileset basedThey definitely didn’t start DK when they put out those hiring notices, I’m sure they were working on it a year or two prior
I don’t get it either. Why would we think like that.I don't see any reason why we should assume EPD Tokyo's 2D project is dead.
literally just pre-direct jitters lolI don’t get it either. Why would we think like that.
More like they’re a let down as they’re airing lolAccording to the internet all directs are let downs after they air.
iirc it indeed primarily has been true of remakesI don't think this idea of Nintendo holding onto all these games is true. I suppose it might be the case with some ports and remakes, but brand new games like Wonder, Pikmin and TotK were definitely out as soon as they were done.
you are so real for this kingA direct that has nothing I’m interested in is just as good as a direct packed with stuff I’m interested in because I don’t have to add to my backlog in the case of the former.
I think it's almost definitely the case that they've sat on new games as well as remasters/ports. Nobody's suggesting they do this with every game, but there are some instances we can point toI don't think this idea of Nintendo holding onto all these games is true. I suppose it might be the case with some ports and remakes, but brand new games like Wonder, Pikmin and TotK were definitely out as soon as they were done.
That was at least better than the Direct that ended with already-revealed Pokemon DLCI thought the june 2023 direct was a let down 30 seconds in
(it opened with pokemon dlc)
Is this bait?June direct should open with Fire Emblem again
And close with Xenoblade again
A winning combo everyone will love
I mean… I would absolutely love that.June direct should open with Fire Emblem again
And close with Xenoblade again
A winning combo everyone will love
fake, it had Dragon QuestI thought the june 2023 direct was a let down 30 seconds in
(it opened with pokemon dlc)
I do not believe that anything Xenoblade related will be announced in 2024.June direct should open with Fire Emblem again
And close with Xenoblade again
A winning combo everyone will love
I eagerly await the next installment of Did You Spo Gaming2023 was the Year of Games What Finished Early, which is funny, and shouldn't be taken as the norm:
- Fire Emblem Engage was content complete roughly a year before release. It was held back because Fire Emblem Warriors: Three Hopes was also finished, and so that Intelligent Systems could get a head start on DLC development.
- Metroid Prime Remastered was finished nearly 18 months before its surprise reveal/release (September 2021). Presumably it was held back initially due to proximity to Metroid Dread.
- Advance Wars 1&2 Reboot Camp was finished in early 2022. However, Russia invaded Ukraine because the Wars franchise is cursed.
- Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom was largely finished in March 2022. It was delayed until May 2023 for 'polishing'. We've no real idea what condition the March 2022 build was like on a technical level. Was it a Scarlet/Violet mess, or a Xenoblade Chronicles 2 fudge? My assumption is the latter. 2022 was stacked anyway, so Nintendo could afford the delay.
- Everybody 1-2 Switch was initially finished at some point in 2021, with physical copies apparently already in production, but the game playtested abysmally. The game first leaked on this website in late 2021 and became known as The Legend of the Stinky Horse before Imran Khan officially reported on it in summer 2022. It's unclear if the eventual 2023 release was reworked, but I think the game's files indicate cut content so it wouldn't surprise me if NdCube were roped in to salvage something from it.
- Pikmin 4 was "very close to completion" in 2015. However, Miyamoto was going through his rum era and probably should not have been let out to speak to Eurogamer that particular day. Whatever build of the game existed then is not the game we got in 2023.
So there you have it. 2023 was nuts, and nearly half Nintendo's line up was done well ahead of time. But given they have dozens of projects in the works at any one time, they do seem to have a degree of pipeline flexibility. We have been told in the past this is in part a strategic reaction to the Wii U generation, when they didn't have any flexibility in their software pipeline. We've seen that with ports like NSMB U DX being on the eShop servers months ahead of reveal, or something like WarioWare Get It Together going to age ratings agencies a year before release, or the Xenoblade Chronicles 3 situation.
For more on Did You Spo Gaming? check out our video about how 2D Zelda is almost certainly definitely maybe hopefully launching this year because that's what I dream of happening.
I should probably mention that Future Redeemed also 100% counts for the purpose of this list. Xenoblade 3 was likely complete before it's reveal in 2022 and development of the expansion was def happening alongside Xenoblade 3's. There's no way it wasn't finished prior 2023 and it's reveal in the February direct.2023 was the Year of Games What Finished Early, which is funny, and shouldn't be taken as the norm:
- Fire Emblem Engage was content complete roughly a year before release. It was held back because Fire Emblem Warriors: Three Hopes was also finished, and so that Intelligent Systems could get a head start on DLC development.
- Metroid Prime Remastered was finished nearly 18 months before its surprise reveal/release (September 2021). Presumably it was held back initially due to proximity to Metroid Dread.
- Advance Wars 1&2 Reboot Camp was finished in early 2022. However, Russia invaded Ukraine because the Wars franchise is cursed.
- Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom was largely finished in March 2022. It was delayed until May 2023 for 'polishing'. We've no real idea what condition the March 2022 build was like on a technical level. Was it a Scarlet/Violet mess, or a Xenoblade Chronicles 2 fudge? My assumption is the latter. 2022 was stacked anyway, so Nintendo could afford the delay.
- Everybody 1-2 Switch was initially finished at some point in 2021, with physical copies apparently already in production, but the game playtested abysmally. The game first leaked on this website in late 2021 and became known as The Legend of the Stinky Horse before Imran Khan officially reported on it in summer 2022. It's unclear if the eventual 2023 release was reworked, but I think the game's files indicate cut content so it wouldn't surprise me if NdCube were roped in to salvage something from it.
- Pikmin 4 was "very close to completion" in 2015. However, Miyamoto was going through his rum era and probably should not have been let out to speak to Eurogamer that particular day. Whatever build of the game existed then is not the game we got in 2023.
So there you have it. 2023 was nuts, and nearly half Nintendo's line up was done well ahead of time. But given they have dozens of projects in the works at any one time, they do seem to have a degree of pipeline flexibility. We have been told in the past this is in part a strategic reaction to the Wii U generation, when they didn't have any flexibility in their software pipeline. We've seen that with ports like NSMB U DX being on the eShop servers months ahead of reveal, or something like WarioWare Get It Together going to age ratings agencies a year before release, or the Xenoblade Chronicles 3 situation.
For more on Did You Spo Gaming? check out our video about how 2D Zelda is almost certainly definitely maybe hopefully launching this year because that's what I dream of happening.
After May 31, before July 1 would be my personal guessHave we received any hints on timing for the June direct?
Preposterous idea. Where's your source?????After May 31, before July 1 would be my personal guess
My wife's boyfriend works at NoAPreposterous idea. Where's your source?????
Bait for who? It is indeed a Direct that everyone would love. Banger opener and closer.Is this bait?
What is with the farming game fans, will they get something?This upcoming Direct will have something for ALL fans. Turn-based RPG fans. Action RPG fans. Tactical RPG fans. Looter RPG fans. MMORPG fans. Rogue-like RPG fans. Something for everyone.
What is with the farming game fans, will they get something?
Rune Factory fans waited like 20 years for a new game only to catch strays like this nowYes, it's about time for another Rune Factory game.
Hope the next one runs better on the Switch.Yes, it's about time for another Rune Factory game.